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How Trump's tariff chaos is already changing global trade

Decoder with Nilay Patel · with Evan Smith · March 17, 2025 · 67 min

Summary

This episode features Evan Smith, founder of Altana, discussing how Trump's tariff policies have accelerated a fundamental shift in global trade. It highlights the end of an era of predictable globalization and the urgent need for businesses to implement robust supply chain tools and strategies to navigate increasing complexity and geopolitical chaos. Operators will learn how to anticipate and adapt to these shifts, moving beyond reactive responses to proactively build resilient supply chains.

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supply chain & operationsfounder & leadershipai & automation

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global trade evolutiontariff impactsupply chain resiliencegeopolitics of tradedata-driven supply chainsglobalization 2.0

Episode description

I'm talking to Evan Smith, who started Altana in 2019 because he predicted the first wave of globalized manufacturing and trade would end, and that companies would want new powerful tools to adapt their supply chains as the world grew more complex. Here in 2025, that looks like a pretty good bet — even if the way it's playing out is more stressful and chaotic than anyone really wants it to be. There are some big, unsettling ideas here, but talking about them directly and with clarity at least made me feel like I had a framework to understand the endless on-again, off-again news cycle on tariffs and trade. Links: Globalization 2.0 Manifesto | Altana The ‘giant sucking sound’ of NAFTA | The Conversation ‘Offensive Realism’: The never-ending struggle for power | American Diplomacy (2002) Foreign Affairs Big Mac I | NYT (1996) The end of the Golden Arches Doctrine | Financial Times Trump could scale back tariffs, Lutnick says | CNBC China joined rule-based trading system — then broke the rules | Politico Open Source and China: Inverting Copyright? | Wisconsin International Law Journal How the US lost out on iPhone work | NYT Credits: Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright. The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Frequently asked about this episode

What does this episode say about supply chain & operations?
The era of seamless, predictable globalization is over; businesses must acknowledge and adapt to a new, more chaotic global trade landscape characterized by geopolitical volatility and protectionist policies.
What does this episode say about founder & leadership?
Proactive investment in advanced supply chain management tools and data analytics is crucial for visibility, risk assessment, and agile adaptation to trade disruptions.
What does this episode say about ai & automation?
Businesses need to move beyond reactive responses to trade news and implement scenario planning and diversification strategies to build resilient supply chains.
What does this episode say about supply chain & operations?
Understand the historical context of trade policies (e.g., NAFTA criticisms, "Golden Arches Doctrine") to better anticipate future shifts and their potential impact on global operations.
What does this episode say about supply chain & operations?
Consider the implications of "Globalization 2.0," which emphasizes adaptive supply chains, regionalization, and data-driven decision-making in a fragmented world.

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